MASTERFUL DIATRIBE
The following
emails from one Mick Wrotniak of Real Life AOG
Church, Kingswood N.S.W. show such a mastery of articulation of the English
language that we feel they just have to be exhibited. What is amazing to us, is
that this proselyte, this "two fold more the child of hell than his
mentors", deludes himself into thinking that not only is he saved, but
that he is also a Pastor???
We shall
start with his first reply to us from a mail out that was just sent:
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Fri
17/12/2010 4:02 PM
To Bevan Kluver
This is unsolicited mail. I've never subscribed to it. If for some reason
you have me on your mail lisr, I request that you take me off immediately.
Regards
Mick W.
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:54:02 +1000
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>To Mick Wrotniak.
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>Bevan KLuver STM.
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Now our reply
to the above:
RE: Papers
Bevan
Kluver [bevan.kluver@bigpond.com]
Sent Fri
17/12/2010 4:03 PM
To 'micktw@iprimus.com.au
UNSOLICITED MAIL??????
WAS ELIJAH INVITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ON MT CARMEL?
WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST SOLICITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE JEWS?
WAS CHRIST GIVEN A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?
DO YOU WAIT TO RECEIVE A SOLICITATION FROM THE UNSAVED, THE UNBELIEVERS, THE PAGANS, THE INFIDELS BEFORE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO THEM??????????????
I DIDN`T THINK SO: YOU HYPOCRITE,............REPENT!
I shall be happy to remove your name off our mail out list:
Bevan Kluver
STM.
-----Original
Message-----
From: micktw@iprimus.com.au [mailto:micktw@iprimus.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 17 December 2010 11:53 AM
To: Bevan Kluver
Subject: RE: Papers
This is unsolicited mail. I've never subscribed to it. If for some reason
you have me on your mail lisr, I request that you take me off immediately.
Regards
Mick W.
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:54:02 +1000
Obviously the
above agitated him somewhat as he responded with the following: Not content however,
to just send one reply only, he sent four separate emails minutes apart over a
period of 12 minutes as his emotions boiled over compelling him to reveal himself,
"let it all hang out" so to speak.
Here`s the
first one sent at 1.59PM on the 18/12/2010:
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Sat
18/12/2010 1:59 PM
You are a dickhead
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:02:34 +1000
>
>
>UNSOLICITED MAIL??????
>
>WAS ELIJAH INVITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ON MT
>CARMEL?
>
>WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST SOLICITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE JEWS?
>
>WAS CHRIST GIVEN A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE
>CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?
>
>DO YOU WAIT TO RECEIVE A SOLICITATION FROM THE UNSAVED, THE UNBELIEVERS,
>THE
>PAGANS, THE INFIDELS BEFORE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO
>THEM??????????????
>
>I DIDN`T THINK SO: YOU HYPOCRITE,............REPENT!
>
>I shall be happy to remove your name off our mail out list:
>
>
>Bevan Kluver STM.
Now the
second one dispatched at 2.05PM:
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Sat 18/12/2010 2:05 PM
To Bevan Kluver
PS... You don't even know me, you self - righteous , full of pride , Pharisee
How dare you compare yourself to Elijah, let alone to CHrist!!!??? You repent
of your pride, you religious snake. On a more friendly note: get stuffed!!!
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:02:34 +1000
>
>
>UNSOLICITED MAIL??????
>
>WAS ELIJAH INVITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ON MT
>CARMEL?
>
>WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST SOLICITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE JEWS?
>
>WAS CHRIST GIVEN A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE
>CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?
>
>DO YOU WAIT TO RECEIVE A SOLICITATION FROM THE UNSAVED, THE UNBELIEVERS,
>THE
>PAGANS, THE INFIDELS BEFORE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO
>THEM??????????????
>
>I DIDN`T THINK SO: YOU HYPOCRITE,............REPENT!
>
>I shall be happy to remove your name off our mail out list:
>
>
>Bevan Kluver STM.
The third one
at 2.08PM:
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Sat 18/12/2010 2:08 PM
Did I mention you are wanker?
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:02:34 +1000
>
>
>UNSOLICITED MAIL??????
>
>WAS ELIJAH INVITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ON MT
>CARMEL?
>
>WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST SOLICITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE JEWS?
>
>WAS CHRIST GIVEN A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE
>CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?
>
>DO YOU WAIT TO RECEIVE A SOLICITATION FROM THE UNSAVED, THE UNBELIEVERS,
>THE
>PAGANS, THE INFIDELS BEFORE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO
>THEM??????????????
>
>I DIDN`T THINK SO: YOU HYPOCRITE,............REPENT!
>
>I shall be happy to remove your name off our mail out list:
>
>
>Bevan Kluver STM.
And the last
one sent at 2.11PM:
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Sat 18/12/2010 2:11 PM
To Bevan Kluver
You're probably a faggott too. Your self righteous,aggro, judgemental high
horse attitude is a characteristic of most faggs. Keep your hand off it,
looser.
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Bevan Kluver" <bevan.kluver@bigpond.com>
>To: <micktw@iprimus.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Papers
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:02:34 +1000
>
>
>UNSOLICITED MAIL??????
>
>WAS ELIJAH INVITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ON MT
>CARMEL?
>
>WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST SOLICITED TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE JEWS?
>
>WAS CHRIST GIVEN A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO PREACH REPENTANCE TO THE
>CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?
>
>DO YOU WAIT TO RECEIVE A SOLICITATION FROM THE UNSAVED, THE UNBELIEVERS,
>THE
>PAGANS, THE INFIDELS BEFORE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO
>THEM??????????????
>
>I DIDN`T THINK SO: YOU HYPOCRITE,............REPENT!
>
>I shall be happy to remove your name off our mail out list:
>
>
>Bevan Kluver STM.
What say you
all? Do you think you see any "fruit of the Spirit" in the above?
Would you like to be a member of this man`s congregation?
THUS SAITH
THE LORD GOD:
"YE
SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS". MATH. 7/16. "EVEN SO EVERY GOOD
TREE BRINGETH FORTH GOOD FRUIT; BUT A CORRUPT TREE BRINGETH FORTH EVIL
FRUIT". MATH. 7/17.
And this is
our reply to his expression of hate toward us:
RE: Papers
Bevan Kluver [bevan.kluver@bigpond.com]
Sent Sat 18/12/2010 10.48 PM
To 'micktw@iprimus.com.au
Let`s see,..........."self righteous, full of pride pharisee,....dickhead,.......wanker,.......faggott"; So I suppose you could say by your addressing me with those terms that you "ARE SCORNING ME CONCERNING MY HEART AND CHARACTER"?
THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST, HO LOGOS, THE WORD OF GOD".
"BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY THOU FOOL, SHALL BE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE". MATH. 5/22.
Do you know that the Greek word for "fool" in this passage of scripture is "MOROS",...FROM WHICH THE ENGLISH WORD MORON COMES FROM?........and in the context of this scripture it means,..."morally worthless. It is a more serious reproach than raka (4469), raca, which scorns a man by calling him stupid, whereas MOROS SCORNS HIM CONCERNING HIS HEART AND CHARACTER". (Zodhiates complete word study New Testament). You saying that I am a dickhead, wanker, faggott,........ you are labelling my character are you not? Reproaching, SCORNING ME?
These are Christ`s words and judgment of you friend, (hetairos), not mine, concerning your taking offence and stumbling at "The Word of God". 2 Pet. 2/6-8.
"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves". Jude 10. And again,....."But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2 Pet. 2/12.
Bevan Kluver STM.
HALLELUJAH!
"BLESSED ARE THEY WHICH ARE PERSECUTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS` SAKE: FOR THEIRS
IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. BLESSED ARE YE, WHEN MEN SHALL REVILE YOU, AND
PERSECUTE YOU, AND SHALL SAY ALL MANNER OF EVIL AGAINST YOU FALSELY FOR MY
SAKE. REJOICE, AND BE EXCEEDING GLAD: FOR GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN: FOR
SO PERSECUTED THEY THE PROPHETS WHICH WERE BEFORE YOU". MATH. 5/10-12.
And a reply
to the aforementioned which is exhibiting some contrition however not all, in
that it is an example of trying to make excuse and justify bad behaviour:
THUS SAITH
THE LORD GOD:
"YE ARE
THEY WHICH JUSTIFY YOURSELVES BEFORE MEN; BUT GOD KNOWETH YOUR HEARTS: FOR THAT
WHICH IS HIGHLY ESTEEMED AMONG MEN IS ABOMINATION IN THE SIGHT OF GOD".
LUKE 16/15.
RE: Papers
micktw@iprimus.com.au
Sent Sun 19/12/2010 8.38 PM
To Bevan Kluver
Bevan,
Before I end our communication , let me attempt to get through to you just
one last time. First of all, I must apologize for the crude words I've used
towards you. You caught me off guard with your call to repentence and your
accusation that I do not witness or preach the Gospel. That very morning
I've spent over an hour on the streets of my city ( just me and two more
men from our church ) giving the Gospel to sinners. This is despite working
for a week in a job in a very difficult environment ( jail), preparing messages
for Sunday ( on evangelism actually )and trying to hold my family and church
together. I am living my life trying to serve God as well as I can. In the
past I have suffered persecution for my faith at different levels of intensity.
Now here's the point Bevan - you don't know that. You don't know anything
about me, I believe that you know very little about all the other ministers
of the Gospelthat you continually accuse of different things. You don't know
what they have been through in their lives, the tears they shed , the family
tragedies they are dealing with, you don't know if their wife may be suffering
from cancer and the last thing they need is a letter of condemnation.I have
looked a bit at your internet correspondence with other pastors and it seems
to me that you are not interested in talking to them - you only want to talk
AT them. For some strange, bizzarre reason you think you have a mandate from
God similiar to that of Elijah or Jesus. You don't Bevan. You are just like
all others, a struggling Christian trying to make your life count somehow,
dealing with personal weakness, life problems. The difference between you
and most others though is that you are a very bitter and angry man. I'm sure
you have reason to be angry. you have been hurt in Church, haven't you? Grow
up Bevan , join the club. Learn to forgive and move on and rather then being
an instrument of death , be an instrument of life. When you read my abusive
words Bevan , how did you feel? Where did my words come from? See Bevan ,
I am also an angry man, very angry sometimes. It's my struggle. In 99 % of
the time, I bring my anger to Jesus, without hurting those around me , but
occasianally , I "lose it" I lost it with you and I am sorry. Notice one
thing brother - the abuse I dished out is very similiar to the abuse you
dish out, except you cloth your abuse, your anger and bitterness in religious
words. That makes it very , very bad.It really is sin. You are not deeply
concerned about the subject of your abuse, you don't want to show them a
better way - you just want to make them feel bad , and through it make yourself
feel good. that's horrible bro. That's not Christian. Elijah confronted prophets
of Satan , not ministers of God. Jesus confronted self righteous Pharisees,
not his honest followers. Occasianlly He corrected His followers, but in
a Spirit of love and care, never condemnation.
Paul confronted legalistic Judaisers - not ministers of the Gospel. He corrcted
ministers with gentleness and respect. You may be surprised Bevan , but you
are not the first person I have met acting in this spirit. I am not accusing
you of anything, {except those things I see in your words), but the other
men I know that spoke and behaved in that spirit without exception had a
moral problem in their lives. Usually they had a problem with pornography
and yes, at times other preversions. I hope this is not your case, but if
it is - Jesus can geniuinly help you Bevan , if you choose to humble yourself.
That's all Brother. I don't hate you. I hate the self - righteous spirit
you operate in and the condemnation you dish out from your spirit, indiscriminately
, like from a machine gun. Your website has the slogan - "speaking the truth
in love". Bro, that's a grotesque , almost funny statement in the context
of what you are doing. Get rid of it, please, don't make yourself an object
of mockery. If you choose to respond to this letter in a right spirit, I
am open to correspond. If all you do however is throw slogans and scriptures
at me, talk AT me , not TO me you will have wasted your time, because all
I'll do is delete it and block correspondence from you. I hope that God will
help you channell your zeal towards winning the lost instead of cursing those
that are trying to do it.
May God bless you and keep you safe.
Mick W.